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Jericho Rant re Trivia/Timelines

I was rewatching the first three episodes of season 2 last night, trying to figure out the timeline for the start of my Oasis fic.

Can I just say that I love this show (I really, really, REALLY do - Beck, Jake and Hawkins have the most gorgeous brown eyes I've ever seen and they rock the screen at all times.  Add in Heather, and the chemistry is out of this world. {ahem}  But I digress...)

So, now that I've established that I love this show, can I just say that I HATE whoever was in charge of the nitpicky shit/timelines.  Of course, I haven't re-watched the later episodes of season 1 yet, so my memories may be skewed...

First - nitpicky shit.  In episode 1 of season 2, they show a closeup of the contract that Stanley signed with J&R.  I freeze-framed it last night out of curiousity - good details for fan fic, right?  Address of the Richmond Farm, address for J&R in Cheyenne - I was hoping for a date, and there was one, but it was confusing as all hell (2/01/08 - is that February 1, 2008 or is it January 2, 2008???).  The piece that really got me, though, was the description of the property.  It lists house, livestock (which is one word people!!), etc., etc. - and 15 acres.

15 acres.  Fifteen acres?  Fifteen acres??  What???

There is no way the Richmond Farm is the largest farm in the area if Stanley only owns/farms 15 acres!!  There are 640 acres in a section; we farmed 3/4 of a section and we were considered (very) small farmers.  Stanley may own/farm 15 sections but not 15 acres!

As for the timelines...I haven't double-checked the dialogue yet, so there may be an explanation that I can live with in the episodes (i.e., the time slip that happens between "Jennings & Rall" and "Oversight").  "Oversight" opens and it seems like the ASA, J&R and Ravenwood have been in control for some time (several weeks?).  That's all fine and dandy, except we then have Hawkins, sitting on the couch watching his phone ring.  Has he just been sitting there - waiting - for weeks??   Every other storyline makes sense with the time jump except Hawkins and John Smith (well, and possibly Dale's store not being warned before this episode...and the fact that Jake never seems to shower or change clothes LOL).

Anyway, just a little frustration when I look at the details.  I'm kinda sorry I didn't start Oasis after Beck's defection, because then i would have just said, "oh, well - I think this date makes sense..." and leave it at that.  :D 

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onceiwasaturtle
Jul. 2nd, 2009 05:40 am (UTC)
All the little nitpicky details get me, too, no matter what I'm reading/watching. They bug me so much! X-(
shirleyann66
Jul. 4th, 2009 04:48 pm (UTC)
I'm usually not too bad with the nitpicky details. But every now and then...it annoys the crap out of me!! LOL

But only for professional things - if I notice a nitpicky mistake in fanfiction, it doesn't bother me - we're not getting paid for this, after all. :). People actually get paid to pay attention to continuity/trivia in TV productions, etc., so I have a (sorta) higher standard for those things. :D
onceiwasaturtle
Jul. 4th, 2009 05:30 pm (UTC)
Oh, the same here. It doesn't bother me in fanfics at all. ^^
scribblesinink
Jul. 9th, 2009 08:00 pm (UTC)
Oh, that sounds so familiar! tanaquific and myself spent several long nights discussing and trying to work out the timelines (we ignore the props unless they suit our purpose--if you go by some of the props, Jake and Eric would've been born 8 months apart...!), and messed around quite a lot to make it all fit.

One of these days, we hope to make our timeline table public (it even has footnotes!). I can sympathize.
shirleyann66
Jul. 13th, 2009 06:25 pm (UTC)
(we ignore the props unless they suit our purpose--if you go by some of the props, Jake and Eric would've been born 8 months apart...!),

I remember the CBS boards going bonkers with that one...LOL - not to mention that in the original information on the CBS site, Eric was the older brother...which they then changed around. {huh?}

One of these days, we hope to make our timeline table public (it even has footnotes!).

That would be totally awesome - because it would sure help a lot when you're writing fic. :)

Thanks for sympathizing! Just needed to rant a bit.
tanaquific
Jul. 9th, 2009 08:14 pm (UTC)
I feel your pain
Oh God, tell me about it. scribblesinink and I headdesked repeatedly over the timeline thing, and had to do a lot of handwaving to get a timeline that makes any kind of sense with what happened on screen. (We ended up deciding that most of the Hawkins timeline was independent enough it didn't have to mesh with the way it was cut with almost everything else in the show.)

We'd already noticed the 15 acres thing on Stanley's contract - although I've heard an interview on an LA TV station with an actor whose father had a 25 acre farm in Nevada and the people in the studio were going "That's huge!" and he was going "Nah, my dad's belt buckle was bigger", so put that down to the show being made by Californians.

The date thing, though? Is it really spring in Western Kansas in January or February?!? Just look at the weather in that scene - surely it's much later?

Not to mention the props department that had Jake and Eric born in the same year only eight months apart (just about possible but kinda unlikely), and the writers who had no sense of direction. (Try and work out where the heck the Tacoma Bridge is - North East on a map and South East in dialogue....)

It's immensely frustrating if you're the sort of writer who cares about this stuff....
shirleyann66
Jul. 13th, 2009 06:43 pm (UTC)
Re: I feel your pain
LOL - thanks! I know I'm not alone - the timeline issue has been one that's been discussed on the CBS boards from the moment the show started. Seriously, TPTB dudes: how hard would it be to actually have a timeline for events that everyone could follow?? If you're going to do a show with a continuing storyline, pay a little attention to the details!! {sigh}

We'd already noticed the 15 acres thing on Stanley's contract...so put that down to the show being made by Californians.

And not bothering to do any research. At least they never mentioned the size in dialogue (that I can remember). :)

The date thing, though? Is it really spring in Western Kansas in January or February?!? Just look at the weather in that scene - surely it's much later?

Well, I had this same thought at the end of season 1, when they're coming back from New Bern and they talk about the smell of the crops going into the ground. I was like "huh? In January/February??". After googling (you can find EVERYTHING on the Internet!), I discovered that yes, they do plant in January/February in northern Kansas.* I agree, though, that the weather makes it look much later than February, or even March (to me, it looks more like April/May).

and the writers who had no sense of direction. (Try and work out where the heck the Tacoma Bridge is - North East on a map and South East in dialogue....)

{sigh} I haven't gotten that far yet - I'm sure it will annoy me when it does. :(

It's immensely frustrating if you're the sort of writer who cares about this stuff....

Most of the time, I don't. I usually let the little things flow off and let it go - but when you can't even get a decent timeline?? That annoys the crap out of me, because there is really no good reason why that can't be done. The really nitpicky details - okay. I can accept mistakes being made - but not on the big stuff, especially if there was, as Carol Barbee claimed, a larger story planned out from the beginning.

Thanks for feeling my pain!! Glad to know I'm not alone. :) I'm basically going to "fudge" what I think the timeline appears to be with the time jump - and hope my readers forgive me. :) Once I get Beck out of Jericho, though, it'll work way better because I won't be locked into what happened on screen (and I have a timeline mapped out!! LOL).

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* At which point I (who lives in central Alberta and listens to forecasts of frost and snow in JUNE and where the ground doesn't thaw enough to plant anything until, oh, late MAY!!) went "how bad could those winters possibly be if the ground is thawed in January? You only have to survive for what? Two, three weeks in freezing weather?? Suck it up, princess!! Try 6 MONTHS of below freezing weather, people!!"

{ahem} We're having an unseasonably cold summer, after a particularly long, cold winter...I'm a bit...er...cranky about that sort of thing right now. {sheepish grin}
tanaquific
Jul. 13th, 2009 07:28 pm (UTC)
Re: I feel your pain
We're having an unseasonably cold summer, after a particularly long, cold winter

Gah, we had that over here last year, so I feel your pain on that too. :-(

*sends over a certain Army major to help warm you up*
shirleyann66
Jul. 14th, 2009 01:14 pm (UTC)
Re: I feel your pain
I have got to stop reading LJ at work. I read this:

*sends over a certain Army major to help warm you up*

let out a pathetic little "meep", and then stared off into space, drooling. It was an awesome moment in my day - LOL - but a little hard to explain.

{sigh} Thanks though. I felt warmer immediately. ;)
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